2008 Weekly Nielsen Numbers [16:84] Blu-Ray vs. DVD

[darkblueme]

Not sure these are necessary anymore, but just for fun...





Source Link: http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/questex/hom011308/

[AOD]

What happened to the last week in Dec? Did they not post those numbers?

[darkblueme]

What happened to the last week in Dec? Did they not post those numbers?

They weren't posted through HMM, not sure why, but the last week in December was a repeat of the week ending December 23rd.

[darkblueme]

Blu-ray Extends Sales Lead After Warner Announcement
Home Media Magazine is reporting that the Nielson VideoScan data shows Blu-ray captured 85% of the high definition media market the week following the Warner Brothers exclusivity announcement. At the top of the list was Lionsgate's '3:10 to Yuma', which sold four times as many units as the second place title, Sony's 'Resident Evil: Extinction'.
http://www.homemediamagazine.com/news/h ... e_ID=11906

The detailed numbers will be up tomorrow.

[KFelon]

I want to see BR vs DVD numbers, thats all I'm interested in seeing right now. The Kingdom was the only HD title on the list this week I've read.

[darkblueme]

I want to see BR vs DVD numbers, thats all I'm interested in seeing right now. The Kingdom was the only HD title on the list this week I've read.

I want to see those numbers too. Once Blu-Ray is the only high def format available, I hope Home Media Magazine starts showing those figures. It's not even close right now. I've heard it's something like 3:97 in favor of SD DVD.

[darkblueme]

The first official numbers since Warner announced exclusive support of Blu-Ray.






Source: http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/questex ... /index.php


No Blu-Ray vs. DVD #'s yet.
Hope to see them soon!

Updated every Friday.


Also, check out this interesting poll related to the Writer's Strike:




=)

[oopAnt]

The first official numbers since Warner announced exclusive support of Blu-Ray.

Also, check out this interesting poll related to the Writer's Strike:




=)

Yes, well they forgot to put the option:

"I don't really give a shit about their petty strike"

which would probably be around 89% if it were available.

Those kinds of poles are really forced. It is to imagine all anyone is doing is either waiting around, or in this case, 39% are upgrading their DVDs to High Def. Sorry if I come across as cynical, but I get that way when I sense there is a lot of political and financial motivation to get people to suddenly "convert" to a new way of living. It is ultimately being forced on us by both the studios, companies and even the government who is, if not already, starting to mandate HD technology for television, etc. Thats my soap box. No replies necessary, its just my point of view. (This is not to say I am against HD, I think its a very pretty picture when it all comes together).

OopAnt

[darkblueme]

Source: http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/questex ... /index.php



Numbers updated every Friday.

[darkblueme]

http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=5459


Blu-ray title sees 80,072% sales spike at Amazon

Sales for Blu-ray disc format title No Country For Old Men spiked 80,072 percent upon availability on Fri. at retailer Amazon.com.
The Blu-ray disc format version of No Country For Old Men ranked at No. 84 on Fri. evening to double the demand for the standard DVD version of the title (ranked No. 187).

Other Blu-ray disc titles that held gains on Fri. included The Brave One, up 113 percent, The Invasion, up 90 percent, and Monty Python's Life of Brian, up 82 percent.

The spur in Blu-ray disc sales follows an announcement from Warner Bros. this month that it will defect from the HD DVD camp and produce high-definition content exclusively on Sony Corp.'s Blu-ray disc format.

Retailers this week, including Best Buy, Circuit City and Amazon.com are offering incentives to purchase high-definition content.

Amazon this week is offering Blu-ray disc titles as low as $14.99 and up to 53 percent off select Blu-ray disc titles.

In addition, it slashed prices for select HD DVD titles up to 53 percent off.

NPD Group this week said that Blu-ray stand-alone unit sales recorded 92.53 percent market share versus 7.47 percent market share for HD DVD in the week ending Jan. 12.

[KFelon]

Amazon this week is offering Blu-ray disc titles as low as $14.99 and up to 53 percent off select Blu-ray disc titles.

In addition, it slashed prices for select HD DVD titles up to 53 percent off.

Yeah this is a Warner sale on both formats, not some sort of effort to ditch HD-DVD inventory.

[darkblueme]

From http://thedigitalbits.com

First up today, we've obtained the latest NPD Group hardware sales numbers from our industry sources. This would be for the week ending 1/19 - the second week after Warner's announcement, and the first full week reflecting Toshiba's 50% off price reductions. Here's how the numbers look. Note that we've included the previous week (ending 1/12) as well for comparison, and that these numbers reflect sales of stand-alone, non-combo units (game system devices like the PS3 or Xbox add-on drive are not included)...



Here's how the specific unit sales numbers looked for the week ending 1/19...

Blu-ray Disc - 16,496 units
HD-DVD - 8,639 units

So it would certainly appear that Toshiba's price cutting has at least contributed to a modest rebound in the number of HD-DVD units moved, though sources are telling us that Blu-ray earned approximately 83% of all the actual dollars spent on high-def players for the week. Here are those totals...

Blu-ray Disc - $6,033,540
HD-DVD - $1,182,248

Again, that would seem to reflect the fact that Toshiba's prices had been heavily discounted. The dollar volume percentage is key, because that's where retailers are going to see profits. As such, they're obviously making more money on each Blu-ray player sold than each HD-DVD player sold right now.

FYI, we'd like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that two weeks of data points does not equal a trend, just a very small line. We're sure that all parties involved (including the NPD Group) will make their own comments shortly.

Meanwhile, after yesterday's photos of Circuit City clearance sales on HD-DVD players, we've got more pictures this morning along the same lines. Our friend Dave over at TV Shows on DVD sent over these shots of Toshiba HD-A3s he spotted in the clearance isle at a Wal-Mart store in Memphis.



And here's something interesting - it seems that at the German retailer Saturn, Sony is offering consumers 150 Euros off the price of their BDP-S300 Blu-ray player (effectively making the price 349 Euros), with the trade in of an HD-DVD player. Plus you get 8 free Blu-ray movies. This ad scan was posted over at HiFi-Forum.de (credit to "heimkino-fan")...



Meanwhile, the media reports on the format war continue to roll in. Wired has posted their take on things, and those of you who recall Monty Python's Black Knight may find it amusing. And according to Computerworld Singapore, analyst Hiroyuki Shimizu had this to say in Gartner's Semiconductor DQ Monday Report:

"Gartner believes that Toshiba's price-cutting may prolong HD DVD's life a little, but the limited line-up of film titles will inflict fatal damage on the format. Gartner expects that, by the end of 2008, Blu-ray will be the winning format in the consumer market, and the war will be over."

CIO Daily and Home Media have also reported on the Gartner comments today.

Finally this morning, DVD Review editor Guido Henkel and DVD File editor Dan Ramer have both added their voices to the chorus of those calling for Toshiba and the HD-DVD camp to back down now. The suspense continues.

Stay tuned...

[oopAnt]

While this is all interesting, its not really a "war" anymore. At least at this point, its a consumer choice without the pressure from either end of red or blu shoving their names in your face. Maybe HD-DVD is holding onto their dear lives by slashing prices further, but as it was stated, the limited HD library will have its consequences.

On the other hand, everything I have read, there seems to be some consensus that HD-DVD has an overall better performance history than blu-ray. How do I know this? I don't, but thats what it appears from what I read. Needless to say, the numbers are not impressive at the moment. It is interesting to see a spring back for HD-DVD sales, however, I see that they are from the current sales that are happening. But the fact remains that people are still buying them regardless of what the studios are doing. I still Blu-ray as being expensive (despite its sales over HD) and they don't seem to be moving on their prices either. To me, its the hardware you want to distribute and the software is what the consumers want. If Sony really wants to win quickly, they would match the prices of an HD-DVD player.

I am sure people have switched in the meantime and Blu-ray is on a mission to convert the red heretics.

I recently watched the short documentary (45 minutes) Steal This Film II, and it basically goes over the industry of digital technology (does not really cite HD technology, but it would fall in this category). Watching this documentary will, in my mind, make you understand why Blu-ray is a studio decision and not a consumer decision. Again, one reason I am not thrilled about Blu-rays "victory".

OopAnt

[Krychekxf]

I've been reading the same thing about Blu Ray players too. It still puzzles me why people thought Blu Ray was better even in the very beginning of this mess. Even if Blu Ray does win...don't expect anything from them to be cheap..unless your buying it used.

[AOD]

Don't know about that Euro deal. 349.99 Euro is $516.93, and that's only if you trade in your HD DVD player. The cheapest player on amazon.de is 199.95 Euro ($295.37). WIthout trade in, it's a whopping $738.46. Hardly a bargain, but wicked expensive to me. Also, I hardly call going from 7.47% to 34.37% in one week a "modest" rebound (460% jump). If that was a BD percentage, the bits would be calling it huge, and I don't think a few clearance pictures from a Wal-mart in Memphis means the downfall of the format. I don't think this war is over. Like blu said, stay tuned....

[darkblueme]

Well, I've given up trying to convince anybody here that SONY is not evil. Your opinion is your own and I'm sure you have reasons to back up your assumptions. But, if anybody has done the research to compare Blu-Ray against HD DVD technology, even just by partially glancing at the Wikipedia entry, you'll see that Blu-Ray is the superior format. I have not read or seen any evidence to support otherwise, aside from opinion pieces.

By the way, that "evil" empire, SONY, is offering trade-in credit for anyone who wants to trade in their HD DVD player in Germany. That's amazing!! Money and percentages aside, is anybody else doing that for HD DVD consumers? Would you be happier if SONY did nothing? I've learned that no matter what SONY does or doesn't do, it just makes them more evil and greedy to the consumer. Right? They just totally suck and haven't done anything for anybody. What business do they even have selling consumer electronics anyway?

Oh wait... there is that time when SONY listened to consumer complaints regarding the first Blu-Ray pressing of "The Fifth Element." They remastered the disc and offered free trade-in's for anybody who wanted one. Warner didn't do it for "Full Metal Jacket." But, it doesn't matter, SONY is evil and blah blah blah. You fill in the rest.

And another thing, will somebody please tell me what the hell SONY was thinking when they offered the PS3 to the buying public? A machine that did more than just play games? It plays Blu-Ray movies too? Well, it shouldn't be called a Blu-Ray player because it's a PS3. Why not call it a WiFi machine because it has wireless internet access capabilities. Oh, wait... maybe it's just an MP3 player, or a WMV video player, or... no... it connects with your home media servers and plays music from your computer, so we should all probably call it a PC. What the hell is SONY doing for the consumer?! What were they thinking building a "fully upgradeable to profile 2.0 machine" that does so much that it couldn't possibly be considered anything but overpriced rubbish, not to mention anal rape to the consumer? At least the Toshiba HD DVD players only play movies. Yes!! Toshiba understands what consumers really want!! Thank you, Toshiba.



Satire aside, cheaper Blu-Ray players are coming. The sooner Toshiba stops dragging their feet and throws in the towel the better. Again, I'm not here to change your opinion of SONY, but I'm definitely not here to agree with it either. The arguments, complaints, bellyaching, etc. were all here when DVD's were first introduced to the market. Last I checked, there are still places where you can buy VHS movies. It's been over a decade.

If you hate SONY so much, stick with DVDs. They still have plenty of use, and will have for a long time. SONY is only part of the BDA... they aren't making you do anything.

[Krychekxf]

Easy tiger....

PS.. Sony is evil! Just kidding!

[darkblueme]

Easy tiger....

PS.. Sony is evil! Just kidding!

LOL!!

It's all good, I just had to get that off of my chest.
Damn SONY!! They make me sooooo mad!!

[oopAnt]

I have not read or seen any evidence to support otherwise, aside from opinion pieces.

Tru dat homie!

Which is basically where all of my officially licensed opinions come from, mostly my ass. I dont own a hi-def player and I dont even go to Best Buy to watch their display models to even see what anything looks like. All I know is when I go to Fry's and they have their demo model BLASTING Throughout the store, I literally get so fucking annoyed that I want to yell at someone to turn the damn thing down! And to make it worse, its usually some obnoxious concert like Janet Jackson or Britney or some crazy action movie where no one is talking but all you hear are explosions and tires screeching. I mean, the place is not for anyone with high anxiety. Not that I do, but I do start to cringe at the shoulders after a while. Err.

On the other hand, when its in my place, I will enjoy it once I get there.

But darkblume, you do make a good point. Sony is a company like any one else and out to get their product by any means possible. They want to make money and thats the bottom line. But in my opinion we are comparing nickels to nickels in this "war".

OopAnt

[darkblueme]

Week Ending 27Jan2008:






Source Link: http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/questex ... /index.php


Numbers updated every Friday.

[darkblueme]

Source: http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/questex ... /index.php


Numbers Updated every Friday.

[oopAnt]

Thats interesting to see 2 HD-DVD titles up there this week. Why do you suppose this occurred?

OopAnt

[darkblueme]

Thats interesting to see 2 HD-DVD titles up there this week. Why do you suppose this occurred?

OopAnt

There were some HD DVD bogo's.
First time HD DVD has shown up in the top ten in 2008.

[oopAnt]

Thats interesting to see 2 HD-DVD titles up there this week. Why do you suppose this occurred?

OopAnt

There were some HD DVD bogo's.
First time HD DVD has shown up in the top ten in 2008.

Actually they were in the top ten the first week of January (the 6th).

But do you think bogo's were enough to push them in to the top 10? Its an interesting pattern to see between the two. Well, one is that Planet Earth set continues to be HD-DVD's top seller. Why it sells better on HD than Blu I don't know, again, maybe its selection.

But since Warner's announcement, I see very little has changed in terms of sales. Maybe its because Warner is not exclusive yet. So maybe we will see more drastic changes come that time.

OopAnt

[KFelon]

I bought Transformers because it was part of a Best Buy BOGO during that period & I had a lot of Reward Zone certificates. I would say it's because of the BOGO as well since it's Bourne Supremacy that is on the list. (Ultimatum was not part of the BOGO.)